adiva_calandia | (no subject)

OKAY I FINISHED HANNIBAL GUYS.

As predicted I am enraged over some aspects of it, crying over others, and generally desperate for the next season to FIX SOME SHIT.

Talk to me, people. Please. Poor

remindmeofthe has put up with me screaming all night long, it's only fair to spread the load around a little.

(Fuck me, those ending shots. BRB CRYING AGAIN.)

Crossposts: http://adiva-calandia.livejournal.com/811899.html

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From:

ceitfianna

I'm sorry. *sends rum and hugs* I'm off to bed very soon but am here for comments of talking since oh god, those last few episodes hurt.

From:

adiva_calandia

UGGGGGGGH just

there was such a LOT of shoddy logic on the parts of many characters

and legal boundaries and medical ethics are a fiction

and I have to keep reminding myself that this is EMPHATICALLY an AU and probably takes places in a magical realist universe

From:

ceitfianna

Its a Bryan Fuller show, magical realism is a kind of given and ugh yeah, so many people behaving badly though they think its right. Then just Hannibal.

That's what's the worst everyone doing what they think will fix things but it never ever will because Hannibal.

I don't know the original canon so can't compare but if thinking of it as an AU works for you, that makes a lot of sense.

Edited Date: 2013-09-04 04:57 am (UTC)

From:

adiva_calandia

At this point, although the characterizations are generally consistent with the original canon, the plot has taken a sharp left and accelerated to 100 MPH such that it is now connected to the original canon's plot/timeline by the barest of threads.

From:

walksbyherself

I NEED TO GO TO BED BUT YOUR FEELS WERE MY FEELS.

ALSO THEM FINALLY USING THE OPERA FROM HANNIBAL DID NOT HELP ME HOLD BACK THE TIDAL WAVE OF TEARS. BEEN WAITING FOR THAT FUCKING SONG SINCE EP ONE.

From:

adiva_calandia

HONESTLY WHAT ACTUALLY GOT ME CRYING AND NOT JUST CLUTCHING AT MY CHEST AND TEARING OUT MY HAIR

WAS THE SHOT OF WINSTON AS WILL WAS BEING TAKEN AWAY

From:

walksbyherself

GOD BLESS THAT DOG

AN EMMY FOR WINSTON THE DOG

From:

silveraspen

So, uh, I suspect you may have a better idea why I am all over the idea of writing fic now.

*wry smile*

From:

adiva_calandia

BUT IN WHAT UNIVERSE EVEN.

--ahem. But in what universe? Presumably the original canon? Because an Ardelia-Will interaction in the Fullerverse would be, uh, VERY DIFFERENT, I suspect.

Fucking hell though I am so mad at Crawford about everything in the world. "Are you broken, Will?" "Well yes, probably." "Okay, well, you should go back into the field with a gun and then I'll disavow responsibility when you are obviously out of your mind with illness. I told you this job would do a number on your immune system if you allowed it! Why didn't you exercise better self-control over your immune system, Will?"

From:

silveraspen

AHAHAHA YEAH NO. Original canon.

If I do anything in Fullerverse I suspect it's going to have to wait until mid-season 2, and ideally involve Alana giving Crawford a GIANT WHACK UPSIDE THE HEAD.

From:

adiva_calandia

I'D READ THAT FIC.

From:

ashen_key

JSYK, I AM VERY, VERY, VERY SLOWLY WORKING ON AN "SO ABIGAIL LIVES AND GOES TO LIVE IN PARIS WITH LADY MURASAKI. FOR REASONS INVOLVING LADIES BEING BADASS AND NOT DYING AND BREAKING FREE AND DOING WHAT THEY WAY.

ALSO.

MAY BE FIC IDEA FOR ABIGAIL TO ACTUALLY BE DEAD, BUT TO RUN WITH ALL OF THE DEER/STAG MYTHOS, SO SHE'S ALL POWERFUL BEYOND THE GRAVE, AND IS GOING TO CALL THE WILD HUNT ON HANNIBAL'S ARSE.

Not that I have a fuckton of feelings about abused daughters trying to break away from abusive fathers/situations, or anything. Noooooope.

Also you cannot YOU CANNOT tell me that this is anything other than a magical realist universe. Nope. No can do. TOTEM POLE OF BODIES, THE HELL.

I probably have more thoughts and thinky-links, but I got home from a surprise!long shift, so I'm out of it.

Edited Date: 2013-09-04 12:02 pm (UTC)

From:

adiva_calandia

WILD HUNT ABIGAIL OH MY GOD

It's just -- consistently hard for me to remember to view it through a magical realist lens, because a) it's not explicitly stated by the creator that it's that kind of universe, even though with Fuller I know I should expect it, and b) that puts it an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE away from the original universe. I don't mind! I love magical realism! It's just hard to keep in my head.

Well, okay, I do mind the magical realism a little in that it allows Fuller to get away with "a murder wizard did it!" and that makes me angry. Season 2 better fill in some of the plotholes in Will's framing in particular.

ABIGAIL FEELS BELOW:

A RL friend posists that Hannibal sent Abigail off to "another life" somewhere in Europe to save her and himself from the FBI -- after, of course, the necessary mutilations to make the frame possible -- but that honestly continues to bother me. So Hannibal continues to control her life by saving her from a situation he created? I guess I can accept it as a jumping off point to get Abigail out from under Hannibal's direct influence, and I guess I kind of have to accept that Hannibal had something to do with hiding her.

But I only accept these things as Macguffins to get Abigail rolling on her own path. If she doesn't go on to save herself and get justice, she might as well be dead.

(And that's the thing for me, especially, is that no matter what, Hannibal cannot define her story. Crawford shouldn't get to, either. A LOT of the Harris books are about victims having their stories told -- Will reading Dolarhyde's diary, Clarice seeking to understand Frederica Bimmel's story in order to catch Gumb -- and it'd be atrocious, an injustice, for Hannibal or Crawford to end up defining Abigail's narrative. Freddie Lounds isn't a lot better, but at least she's in Abigail's corner.)

From:

ashen_key

WILD HUNT ABIGAIL! Which I have no idea how I'm going to pull off, so I'm just letting the idea simmer away in my head, and when I have some more energy to poke at canon and Abigail, I'll get back into tossing ideas around. (Currently, unfortunately, I'm too wobbly to spend much time in her headspace - yay being sensible re: mental health? Sigh.)

And, yeah, with my idea for Abigail to be alive, it's so very, very, very much a springboard into her getting the resources and time to escape properly, under her own steam. There is actually...very, very, very little way Hannibal can control her once she's out of the country. The thing is...he's not god, he might be a murder wizard, but at the core of it, he's just a guy who is an abusive shrink and a serial killer. This doesn't actually lead to a lot of influence once people are away from him. And Abigail was already trying to break free and control things.

But I don't see, honestly, how her being dead is better than her being alive - alive, she's got a chance. Dead, her father and Hannibal win. Dead, she has to rely on other people to tell her story, so unless Alana takes up her case? But *hands*

And the plotholes, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. I'm kinda at the point where I'm...going to take my time with season two, and see if it fixes things. It pokes at a few too many of my issues for it not at least be well-crafted and more coherent.

(Yeah, that's another reason why I'm actually so very, very, very pissed off over her apparent death. She goes from someone who survived in canon, even if it's just two sentences, to a tool to use to frame Will. Just. No. No. No. No.)